This week I talk to Marlene Wind. Marlene studied political science at the University of Aarhus and received her doctorate from the European University Institute in Florence, and is currently a Professor of Political Science at the University of Copenhagen, Denmark.

Marlene became famous in Spain when she confronted Carles Puigdemont after his talk at the University of Copenhagen in 2018.

We will discuss her latest book, “The Tribalization of Europe”, the risk that liberal democracy disappears if we do not confront populism and nationalism in Europe, the validity of universal values and, of course, Catalan separatism and Carles Puigdemont.

Episode notes

4:01 European values and illiberalism in the European Union

9:02 Left and right identity politics as a threat to liberal democracy

11:16 Tribalism and right-wing identitarianism

15:45 Economic and cultural aspects of tribalism

19:48 State nationalism and Catalan secessionism, victimhood and populism

21:35 A timid Spanish State when confronting the independence movement

27:12 International media, image of Spain and secessionist narrative

32:00 Puigdemont, victimhood and absence of arguments

37:19 The Puigdemont case and the lack of trust among European judges

45:23 Lack of European will to combat illiberalism, Poland and Hungary, European Rule of Law Mechanism

59:27 Citizens and liberal values and institutions, majority democracy and constitutional democracy

1:05:13 The language of universal values and liberal democracy

Authors and titles

Marlene Wind, The Tribalization of Europe: A Defence of our Liberal Values, Cambridge, Polity Press, 2020.

Pippa Norris, Ronald Inglehart, Cultural Backlash. Trump, Brexit and Authoritarian Populism, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 2019.

Joseph H. H. Weiler, Professor of Law and the European Union at New York University, born in Johannesburg, South Africa, in 1951.

Steven Levitsky, Daniel Ziblatt, How Democracies Die, New York City, Crown, 2019.

Recorded on March 18th, 2021.

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